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		<title>Comment on Sheng Zhen Healing Qigong - Li Jun Feng by steve drobinsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve drobinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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Please let me know when he will be in oakland, calif area for beginners.
Sincerely,
Steve</description>
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<p>Please let me know when he will be in oakland, calif area for beginners.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Inner Smile by Ian Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting I must try this.

With Love
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting I must try this.</p>
<p>With Love<br />
Ian Stone – Founder of <a href="http://www.metaphysicalinstitute.org/heartenergyhealing.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.metaphysicalinstitute.org');" rel="nofollow">HEART Energy Healing System</a>,<br />
<b>H</b>uman <b>E</b>nergy <b>A</b>ssessment <b>R</b>elease <b>T</b>reatments<br />
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		<title>Comment on What is the 10 essentials of tai chi chuan? by tealeaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>tealeaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall not a bad set of hints.  You could do worse.  But it's not exactly correct either.

For example take this part: "Use Intent Rather than Force".

We all use intent.  Even those who use force do so via intent.  To say that force is unintentional or that it's something other than or in addition to intent is to introduce a deluded thought into your mind.  Even if I don't move at all, I use intent.  Intent has no beginning or end, and intent is not something that visits only the experienced tai chi practitioners.

So then, what is the problem?

The problem is that our intent is conditioned by our conceptual networks.  I say networks, because concepts do not exist in isolation.  Therefore, depending on how intent is conditioned produces wildly different experiences.

The problem with traditional notion of "force" can be said to be twofold.  First it's the conception that action opposes a resisting force.  Second, there is an opinion that tension is a necessary component of force.  In weight training and in gymnastics there is even a term for it: "high tension techniques".  So, because of this, people who hold these limiting notions of force cannot intentionally create an experience of effortless accomplishment.

This problem arises from materialistic thinking.  Scientific materialism is a very widespread way of thinking about experience -- and it's a very limiting way of thinking.  It's surprising that Yi Chuan guys embrace this nonsensical and limited way of thinking about life.  In materialistic thinking modality there is a very deep rooted belief that things exist in an of themselves, seemingly eternally.  Secondly there is a belief that all things are separate.  Since things are separate, the must interact through action only.  Since things are seen as separate, intention has limited scope (for example, partial scope over your own body, but not anything else that's thought to be outside the body).  Because intention has limited scope, the notions of conflict arise.  From conflict arises the idea of overcoming resistance and its attendant pressure.

A truly spiritual person doesn't hold a materialistic mindset.  They don't think of experience as either separate or unified things.  They don't conceive of boundaries as anything other than imaginary.  Therefore their conceptual networks do not have the power to limit the scope of intention.  Since the scope of intention is not framed in any way, it is endlessly whole.  There is no action/reaction duality.  There is no proponent and opponent.  There is no struggle.  Instead there is a dance.  What's dancing is not a person and it's not a non-person either.  It's not nothing and it's not just imagination, but it's not anything concrete either.  When phenomena are seen in this light, it becomes possible to train oneself to manifest just about anything.  Strong arms wrapped in silk is a tiny insignificant fraction of what can be done.  You can fly around.  You can breathe water and eat mud.  You can split your body in 10 pieces and join it back together again and so on.  Even imagination is limited compared to the full array of possibilities.

What tai chi people practice is bending the experience at the far edge of convention.  They pick a tiny little corner of experience and bend it just a little bit.  It's not a profound change, but it's enough change to see that previous thinking modality was not all-encompassing truth.  It's enough to get a hint of what else may be possible.

The way to move forward is not to adopt formulaic advice, such as "don't use force, use intent", but to cultivate mindfulness, introspection and contemplation as a permanent lifestyle.  No amount of formulas, no matter how clever can substitute true, alive, authentic, spontaneous, fresh contemplation and mindfulness.  No religion and no school of thought can give you access to truth.  At best they give you a hint there and a hint here, but you are on your own.  For every hint you get you get 3 deluded ideas bundled with it, even in the "best" conventional spiritual paths.  Be careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall not a bad set of hints.  You could do worse.  But it&#8217;s not exactly correct either.</p>
<p>For example take this part: &#8220;Use Intent Rather than Force&#8221;.</p>
<p>We all use intent.  Even those who use force do so via intent.  To say that force is unintentional or that it&#8217;s something other than or in addition to intent is to introduce a deluded thought into your mind.  Even if I don&#8217;t move at all, I use intent.  Intent has no beginning or end, and intent is not something that visits only the experienced tai chi practitioners.</p>
<p>So then, what is the problem?</p>
<p>The problem is that our intent is conditioned by our conceptual networks.  I say networks, because concepts do not exist in isolation.  Therefore, depending on how intent is conditioned produces wildly different experiences.</p>
<p>The problem with traditional notion of &#8220;force&#8221; can be said to be twofold.  First it&#8217;s the conception that action opposes a resisting force.  Second, there is an opinion that tension is a necessary component of force.  In weight training and in gymnastics there is even a term for it: &#8220;high tension techniques&#8221;.  So, because of this, people who hold these limiting notions of force cannot intentionally create an experience of effortless accomplishment.</p>
<p>This problem arises from materialistic thinking.  Scientific materialism is a very widespread way of thinking about experience &#8212; and it&#8217;s a very limiting way of thinking.  It&#8217;s surprising that Yi Chuan guys embrace this nonsensical and limited way of thinking about life.  In materialistic thinking modality there is a very deep rooted belief that things exist in an of themselves, seemingly eternally.  Secondly there is a belief that all things are separate.  Since things are separate, the must interact through action only.  Since things are seen as separate, intention has limited scope (for example, partial scope over your own body, but not anything else that&#8217;s thought to be outside the body).  Because intention has limited scope, the notions of conflict arise.  From conflict arises the idea of overcoming resistance and its attendant pressure.</p>
<p>A truly spiritual person doesn&#8217;t hold a materialistic mindset.  They don&#8217;t think of experience as either separate or unified things.  They don&#8217;t conceive of boundaries as anything other than imaginary.  Therefore their conceptual networks do not have the power to limit the scope of intention.  Since the scope of intention is not framed in any way, it is endlessly whole.  There is no action/reaction duality.  There is no proponent and opponent.  There is no struggle.  Instead there is a dance.  What&#8217;s dancing is not a person and it&#8217;s not a non-person either.  It&#8217;s not nothing and it&#8217;s not just imagination, but it&#8217;s not anything concrete either.  When phenomena are seen in this light, it becomes possible to train oneself to manifest just about anything.  Strong arms wrapped in silk is a tiny insignificant fraction of what can be done.  You can fly around.  You can breathe water and eat mud.  You can split your body in 10 pieces and join it back together again and so on.  Even imagination is limited compared to the full array of possibilities.</p>
<p>What tai chi people practice is bending the experience at the far edge of convention.  They pick a tiny little corner of experience and bend it just a little bit.  It&#8217;s not a profound change, but it&#8217;s enough change to see that previous thinking modality was not all-encompassing truth.  It&#8217;s enough to get a hint of what else may be possible.</p>
<p>The way to move forward is not to adopt formulaic advice, such as &#8220;don&#8217;t use force, use intent&#8221;, but to cultivate mindfulness, introspection and contemplation as a permanent lifestyle.  No amount of formulas, no matter how clever can substitute true, alive, authentic, spontaneous, fresh contemplation and mindfulness.  No religion and no school of thought can give you access to truth.  At best they give you a hint there and a hint here, but you are on your own.  For every hint you get you get 3 deluded ideas bundled with it, even in the &#8220;best&#8221; conventional spiritual paths.  Be careful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZhiNeng QiGong by manny</title>
		<link>http://neigong.net/2008/05/28/zhineng-qigong/#comment-27041</link>
		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=""]I tried to find out how to reach the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Clinic &#38; Training Center in Beijing and found out, that it was closed in 2001.
My sister has cancer, and I belive, that there is help to find in their way to connect - I can´t descripe it in english - to .....
Can anyone help me further in my search?
Hanne Mortensen, Denmark[/quote]
Yes, the clinic is closed. You might want to google chi lel and find whee there are some local trainings. I beleive Luke Chan is the master in the states who you want to search for.
Good luck and good chi to you and your sister.
best
Manny</description>
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I tried to find out how to reach the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Clinic &amp; Training Center in Beijing and found out, that it was closed in 2001.<br />
My sister has cancer, and I belive, that there is help to find in their way to connect - I can´t descripe it in english - to &#8230;..<br />
Can anyone help me further in my search?<br />
Hanne Mortensen, Denmark</p>
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<p>Yes, the clinic is closed. You might want to google chi lel and find whee there are some local trainings. I beleive Luke Chan is the master in the states who you want to search for.<br />
Good luck and good chi to you and your sister.<br />
best<br />
Manny</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wang Xiangzhai&#8217;s directions in verse for Dachengquan by jeetkunedo dummy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeetkunedo dummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I ask though - how did you get this picked up and into google news?

Very impressive that this blog is syndicated through Google and is it something that is just up to Google or you actively created?

Obviously this is a popular blog with great data so well done on your seo success..

Boxing greats you should write about next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I ask though - how did you get this picked up and into google news?</p>
<p>Very impressive that this blog is syndicated through Google and is it something that is just up to Google or you actively created?</p>
<p>Obviously this is a popular blog with great data so well done on your seo success..</p>
<p>Boxing greats you should write about next!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The All-Round Standing Pole Exercise by thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is really no position that are right or wrong as long as you adhere to the principles. You can stand with the hands facing your shoulders, wider, or more narrow. Some people open up the thumbs so that they point straight up, believing its more beneficial to the lungs. Some believe that the index finger is closing the circle of energy. Some give the hands away in gesture and squeeze the big paper ball. Some but emphasis in hollowing the hands as if holding small vacuum balls at each of the laogong points in the center of the hands. Some regulate the hands with the breathing, making minute changes through in and out breath and around the bones; making a small shili exercise. Some use yet other visualizations to guide the mind and body. 

Different positions cultivate different aspects of your standing practice. 

What do you want from your standing practice?

Of main importance is structural equilibrium and relaxing (sung) both the body and mind. But do not slump or collaps the body. The body structure is finely threaded together without any breaks, with no deficiency or excess. Apply the all the structural principles: "Keep bones all over the body well balanced,
Bending of joints is kept with a limit." Central equilibrium. The shoulder to the hip. The knees to elbows. The hands to the feet. There no place where the energy does not reach. Leave out excess tensions. An expression often used in qigong is: "bathing". Look for the feeling as if your whole body was submerged in body warm  bathtub

Bathing your body in the midst of the air, 
standing on a mountain top.

Connecting the heaven and earth.
The primordial energy returns to dantien.

Smiling,
I disappear. 

(Forget about right and  wrong and strive towards natural perfection).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is really no position that are right or wrong as long as you adhere to the principles. You can stand with the hands facing your shoulders, wider, or more narrow. Some people open up the thumbs so that they point straight up, believing its more beneficial to the lungs. Some believe that the index finger is closing the circle of energy. Some give the hands away in gesture and squeeze the big paper ball. Some but emphasis in hollowing the hands as if holding small vacuum balls at each of the laogong points in the center of the hands. Some regulate the hands with the breathing, making minute changes through in and out breath and around the bones; making a small shili exercise. Some use yet other visualizations to guide the mind and body. </p>
<p>Different positions cultivate different aspects of your standing practice. </p>
<p>What do you want from your standing practice?</p>
<p>Of main importance is structural equilibrium and relaxing (sung) both the body and mind. But do not slump or collaps the body. The body structure is finely threaded together without any breaks, with no deficiency or excess. Apply the all the structural principles: &#8220;Keep bones all over the body well balanced,<br />
Bending of joints is kept with a limit.&#8221; Central equilibrium. The shoulder to the hip. The knees to elbows. The hands to the feet. There no place where the energy does not reach. Leave out excess tensions. An expression often used in qigong is: &#8220;bathing&#8221;. Look for the feeling as if your whole body was submerged in body warm  bathtub</p>
<p>Bathing your body in the midst of the air,<br />
standing on a mountain top.</p>
<p>Connecting the heaven and earth.<br />
The primordial energy returns to dantien.</p>
<p>Smiling,<br />
I disappear. </p>
<p>(Forget about right and  wrong and strive towards natural perfection).</p>
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		<title>Comment on The fundamental principles of Hunyuan Qigong by Dragonfly8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragonfly8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a very in depth and interesting post. I have not typically thought of animals having qigong but it makes perfect sense particularly in the example of the cat. We have talked often in my kung fu and chi kung classes about being as light as a cat and how they get down low before pouncing. 

Next time I am around a cat, I will take more note of their focus when they are preying on something. If we could only be more like the cat. Relaxed yet capable of great bursts of energy then immediately relaxed once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a very in depth and interesting post. I have not typically thought of animals having qigong but it makes perfect sense particularly in the example of the cat. We have talked often in my kung fu and chi kung classes about being as light as a cat and how they get down low before pouncing. </p>
<p>Next time I am around a cat, I will take more note of their focus when they are preying on something. If we could only be more like the cat. Relaxed yet capable of great bursts of energy then immediately relaxed once again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ZhiNeng QiGong by Hanne Mortensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanne Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to find out how to reach the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Clinic &#38; Training Center in Beijing and found out, that it was closed in 2001.
My sister has cancer, and I belive, that there is help to find in their way to connect - I can´t descripe it in english - to .....
Can anyone help me further in my search?
Hanne Mortensen, Denmark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to find out how to reach the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Clinic &amp; Training Center in Beijing and found out, that it was closed in 2001.<br />
My sister has cancer, and I belive, that there is help to find in their way to connect - I can´t descripe it in english - to &#8230;..<br />
Can anyone help me further in my search?<br />
Hanne Mortensen, Denmark</p>
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		<title>Comment on Golden Urn Practise by Golden Urn Practise &#124; Taoist Training News From Around The Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golden Urn Practise &#124; Taoist Training News From Around The Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Internal Alchemy: An Overview by Internal Alchemy: An Overview &#124; Taoist Training News From Around The Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internal Alchemy: An Overview &#124; Taoist Training News From Around The Web</dc:creator>
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